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Who really is Michael the Archangel?

by theMadJW in

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http://www.themadjws.com/whoismichael.htm.

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let me know what you think- for i will be adding to the info!.

Hobo Ken

The original question of this thread is "who really is Michael the archangel?"

Is it fair to say first he's a character in a book?

Is it accurate to say his name is given and his description in that book as , respectively Michael and Angel-chief?

After these rather obvious facts it becomes a matter of subjective opinion and religious belief.

Does a person believe that the Bible, has the authority and value it claims for itself in it's pages?

If you don't believe in God or the Bible the question is moot. If you do it depends on your religious environment what interpretation or version you will accept.

There are those who have no respect and no belief in the Bible and others at the other end of the scale believe the Bible to be the perfect word of God and as such a very important book.

The reason this thread has 16 or so pages about the identity of a character in a book is because no-one can really be 100% certain about everything in the Bible since God , if he exists , hasn't said much since it was written down by way of explanation.

There are those of course such as C.T. Russell and Joseph Smith who claim that God is or was using them to explain things from the Bible.

This of course why organisations such as the WTBTS and the CLDS flourish because people buy into their claim of "Divine" knowledge.

So far as I'm concerned what is not up for debate is that these events and the characters in this debate are from a time almost 2000 years ago!

What does it matter whether Jesus is Michael ?

Does it matter whether God is triune in nature?

These are issues which have been created and debated by people who claim it matters ,such as the Watchtower Society and others.

They would have us believe we need to know it all and have it all neatly parceled up.

So what if we don't? What's going to happen?

Is God going to show up and murder us for not understanding? Send us to hell/kill us at Armaggedon?

Either way Christians and JW's alike have been waiting for approximately 2000 years for the action to begin. None of us statistically are likely to see it, should it turn out the non-believers are wrong.

What makes us different from any other period in history? Nothing at all. Unless we are actually living in the "last days"..........

Matt

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June 2010 Awake! more duplicity.....

by Hobo Ken in

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i was up in my mum's house the other night (she and my father are still active jws) and saw the june 2010 awake!.

as i browsed through it i came to watching the world.

as i read the article on the "baby mammoth" i noticed that there seemed to be some important information missing, as well as some good old watchtower selective quoting.. bear in mind that devout witnesses would never question the organisation or suspect that an article could be misleading them far less go and research the information to check it's authenticity.. the article mentions the age of the animal at time of death (3 to 4 months) and the fact that it was well preservedin the ice and that it's airways and digestive systems were clogged with silt.. right at the end of the article they say that the "scientists were lead to believe" the animal "must have drowned".

Hobo Ken

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June 2010 Awake! more duplicity.....

by Hobo Ken in

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i was up in my mum's house the other night (she and my father are still active jws) and saw the june 2010 awake!.

as i browsed through it i came to watching the world.

as i read the article on the "baby mammoth" i noticed that there seemed to be some important information missing, as well as some good old watchtower selective quoting.. bear in mind that devout witnesses would never question the organisation or suspect that an article could be misleading them far less go and research the information to check it's authenticity.. the article mentions the age of the animal at time of death (3 to 4 months) and the fact that it was well preservedin the ice and that it's airways and digestive systems were clogged with silt.. right at the end of the article they say that the "scientists were lead to believe" the animal "must have drowned".

Hobo Ken

I was up in my mum's house the other night (she and my father are still active JWs) and saw the June 2010 Awake!. As I browsed through it I came to watching the world. As I read the article on the "baby mammoth" I noticed that there seemed to be some important information missing, as well as some good old Watchtower selective quoting.

Bear in mind that devout Witnesses would never question the organisation or suspect that an article could be misleading them far less go and research the information to check it's authenticity.

The article mentions the age of the animal at time of death (3 to 4 months) and the fact that it was well preservedin the ice and that it's airways and digestive systems were clogged with silt.

Right at the end of the article they say that the "scientists were lead to believe" the animal "must have drowned"

Here is a link to the article they have pulled the information from bild.com and another site similar info

To quickly highlight some things from the article

1.It mentions the ice age which causes Witnesses a big problem.

2. the baby mammoth has been incased in ice for 40,000 years! another big problem.

3 The actual quote" After carrying out an autopsy on the animal in St. Petersburg laboratories, they found a thick layer of sand and clay in the mouth and trunk – the four-month-old mammoth must have drowned to death in mud."

The actual reason they have included this article in the Awake! is to help the reader along the way to believing this animal may have perished in the worldwide flood of Noah's day.

However this belief is undermined if they include the actual facts presented in the original article. Such as how could an animal have been in ice for 40,000 years when according to JW dogma there was a worldwide flood only 4000 years ago prior to which they allege there was a sub tropical world where there could not exist large Glaciers such as the one described?

That the writers of the Awake are trying to duplicitously fool their readers into believing that this creature could have died as a result of the "Biblical flood" is not in doubt as they finish the peice by saying that scientists believe the animal " must have drowned". This is clearly decieving the reader into believing the death occured in water. The original source material clearly states as quoted in bold what the scientists beleived caused the animal's death." the four-month-old mammoth must have drowned to death in mud."

All of this shows a basic dishonest approach to their work. The Awake is not alone in the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses when it comes to misquoting people and scholastic dishonesty.

My point is if the Governing Body allow this kind of thing and can't even be trusted with something so mundane then what about the Nwt of the Bible and what about their doctrines and their presentation of their past history?

I would not trust them to put a stamp on an envelope.

Matt.

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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone

by minimus in

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the reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.

they don't contribute to society.

they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..

Hobo Ken

Jehovah's Witnesses claim they do benefit others and that if the WTbs endgame were achieved, namely mass-conversion to their cult then the world would be a better place.

Is that really the case?

All the medical issues that they moralise about would cause a problem. Who would be the doctors and surgeons of the JW only world?

Who would be the teachers lecturers and scientists when we consider the JW opposition to any kind of further education?

Who would work in the quasi-moral grey areas of society?

Who would work in government? The Governing Body??? Lol.

If their utopian dream were realised would God let them run the show for a bit until society fell apart or would he step in immediately?

Knowing their blind arrogance they would probably assume they could do a better job than the world's leaders are doing.

Matt.

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Why the Memorial partaker numbers have gone up...

by undercover in

...well, as was explained to me anyway.. since countries that were previously under ban are now able to report, this has resulted in the partaker numbers to go up.. .

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um, yeah... .

Hobo Ken

The decision to partake at their memorial for a JW is one of the few remaining areas where one can excersise free choice on a fairly important (to them) issue.

It makes sense that because of the high control nature of the cult in almost every area of a JW's life that some would break the mould so to speak and partake.

However in my old hall people who were new partakers were labelled as "mentally unstable" and "perhaps mistaken" or "not genuine anointed".

These descriptions and negativity filter down from the top because these ones present a big problem for which they actually had to alter doctrine (2007 wt) to accomodate.

It's an area they will try to control and perhaps close of the doctrinal wormhole they have now opened. Watch the tower on this one.

Matt

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Letter to London Bethel

by Hobo Ken in

this post links to the letter i sent to the london bethel following my judicial appeal decision.. this follows my series of podcasts recording the actions of the elders in my local area.. letter to london bethel.

please read the letter and judge whether these men acted fairly and in a just manner.. matt.

Hobo Ken

Below is a comment from a JW posting in reply to my london bethel letter on my site deathorobedience.blogspot.com

Below is my reply.

Matt.

Anonymous said...

Matthew why don't you just grow up you pathetic sorrowful excuse for a brother, may jehovah strike you down dead for the lying little apostate evil person that your are.

We despise people like you.

13 March 2010 02:59

Matt Barrie said...

First of all I'm not sure if this comment is for real but I'll assume it is for the purposes of my reply. I'm not aware why my "growing up" has any bearing on this website or the events it portrays? Even if I was the most immature person ever to walk this earth does it change anything that happened? Also I note I'm called a "Pathetic sorrowful excuse for a brother"
At least I have the cojones to identify myself. Your unprovoked hostility is quite eye opening.
And unless you are my fleshy brother Paul,which I doubt, you certainly are NOT my brother in any way.
Now you say i'm "lying and evil" do you have any examples of these accusations?
Regarding "Jehovah striking me down" are you actually serious?
First of all the Governing Body could be termed evil for the countless children and adults they have caused the death of by their twisted medical policies.
Regarding me being a liar? What about your own Governing Body? There are many documented cases of their duplicitous actions which I would happily email to you should you wish to contact me. If your God Jehovah was going to "strike anyone down" these men surely deserve it in view of the fact they have blood on their hands and lies on their conscience.
Regards,
Matt.

15 March 2010 15:48

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Letter to London Bethel

by Hobo Ken in

this post links to the letter i sent to the london bethel following my judicial appeal decision.. this follows my series of podcasts recording the actions of the elders in my local area.. letter to london bethel.

please read the letter and judge whether these men acted fairly and in a just manner.. matt.

Hobo Ken

Below is a comment from a JW posting in reply to my london bethel letter on my site deathorobedience.blogspot.com

Below is my reply.

Matt.

Anonymous said...

Matthew why don't you just grow up you pathetic sorrowful excuse for a brother, may jehovah strike you down dead for the lying little apostate evil person that your are.

We despise people like you.

13 March 2010 02:59

Matt Barrie said...

First of all I'm not sure if this comment is for real but I'll assume it is for the purposes of my reply. I'm not aware why my "growing up" has any bearing on this website or the events it portrays? Even if I was the most immature person ever to walk this earth does it change anything that happened? Also I note I'm called a "Pathetic sorrowful excuse for a brother"
At least I have the cojones to identify myself. Your unprovoked hostility is quite eye opening.
And unless you are my fleshy brother Paul,which I doubt, you certainly are NOT my brother in any way.
Now you say i'm "lying and evil" do you have any examples of these accusations?
Regarding "Jehovah striking me down" are you actually serious?
First of all the Governing Body could be termed evil for the countless children and adults they have caused the death of by their twisted medical policies.
Regarding me being a liar? What about your own Governing Body? There are many documented cases of their duplicitous actions which I would happily email to you should you wish to contact me. If your God Jehovah was going to "strike anyone down" these men surely deserve it in view of the fact they have blood on their hands and lies on their conscience.
Regards,
Matt.

15 March 2010 15:48

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Letter to London Bethel

by Hobo Ken in

this post links to the letter i sent to the london bethel following my judicial appeal decision.. this follows my series of podcasts recording the actions of the elders in my local area.. letter to london bethel.

please read the letter and judge whether these men acted fairly and in a just manner.. matt.

Hobo Ken

Void eater :- their whole setup is one very very sick joke.

Matt

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Letter to London Bethel

by Hobo Ken in

this post links to the letter i sent to the london bethel following my judicial appeal decision.. this follows my series of podcasts recording the actions of the elders in my local area.. letter to london bethel.

please read the letter and judge whether these men acted fairly and in a just manner.. matt.

Hobo Ken

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Letter to London Bethel

by Hobo Ken in

this post links to the letter i sent to the london bethel following my judicial appeal decision.. this follows my series of podcasts recording the actions of the elders in my local area.. letter to london bethel.

please read the letter and judge whether these men acted fairly and in a just manner.. matt.

Hobo Ken

Quirky:- Lol I like. now that would have been payback!

Dissed:- I speak from a certain perpective of course. Not only do they not have the right to judge anyone but their whole concept of "theocratic justice" is deeply flawed. Would any God ask men to do his judging for him within a religious entity like JWs ? I doubt it very much.

Poopsiecakes:- Absolutely a witch hunt from start to finish. Good call.

Besty:- Paul I'm sure you know they would never reply in letter form as this links the branch to the action against an individual and therefore invites possible litigation. However a few weeks later a recieved a phone call at home from Martin Benzie who stated in about a 30 second sentence "that the case against me and the letter I had sent had been reviewed and there would be no intervention from the Branch elders." So the decision stood. Couldn't care less anyway they are a very sorry bunch of misled people.

MMXIV :- This letter was not really an attempt to remain in the sect, more just playing out the final act of the saga to show that their methods behaviour and organisation are deeply flawed and have little to do with either being a Christian or adhering to the Bible.

Perhaps some of those involved including those who read the letter will have a troubled conscience because of what they read? Who knows?

In any case to answer your questions I do not believe that any supreme being would have anything to do with a washed up publishing company who cannot even have a clear set of beliefs, so any mention of the Holy Spirit in connection with the Wtbs is not possible in my view.

I was disfellowshipped almost a year ago, and I will never be connected in any way with this group of people again.

Xbro:- They did read it. And a number of local elders too as I gave out a few copies.

As for "get out of her" I don't really believe anyone has the full understanding of the Bible so not much point in trying to second guess ourselves.

If Jesus shows up anytime in the future and explains what's going on then I'm sure we'd all have to listen. Until then I'm just Getting on with rebuilding my life.

Matt.